so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.
rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.
q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?
I am pleased Morpheus posted this because you FISHERPERSON were calling into question his credibility when commenting on other threads that I have read with interest.
The defensive positioning is really quite stark. I like reading the balanced and objective posts as they help me to think on matters critically. You FISHERPERSON are helping me with that.
Thank you all for sharing. The Bethel service clearly has a whole other 'language' that most like me would not otherwise understand.
i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.
he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu
"Keep on seeking first the kingdom..."
I feel scarred that I read that and for the rest of the day that damned maladies song is stuck in my head - now that's indoctrination at its best! Anyone else with me on that??
FISHERPERSON - I would consider credible some of your sentiment only I keep coming back to the 100 sheep /99 sheep parable. If 1 sheep is lost, Jesus point was that he would take the time to find and care for that 1 sheep at it was just as valuable as the 99. So how much more so should Bethel (God's organizational kingpin distribution centre on earth) demonstrate that same caring attitude to all persons who have given their time voluntarily - irrespective of the circumstances of their departure. I just struggle with the principles that should be the foundation for all org dealings that are underpinned by love, compassion and FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST when I see no correlation here. The rest as was stated in another comment is just semantics. I keep coming back to the core Christian principal of love.
I wish all persons who have experienced this trauma the very best and healthy recovery.
noticed this whilst trawling the stream of convention instagram spam..... http://t.co/ptndxmg8k0.
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i hope everyone is having a good saturday.
i've visited this many times in the past month or so, joined yesterday and finally got the nerve to post!
needless to say, i'm super nervous, being new to this whole experience.
Absolutely concur with all of these sentiments. How is this for paranoid - even though I have been out for 12 years, I only just learned TTATT last week - from my parents who are still in after 44 odd years. My fear about posting? Came from my fears that this site was actually JW.org trying to ensnare JWs into apostasy and that my parents would be found out by my posts and treated unfairly. How crazy and out right delusional is that? But such is the mind manipulation and programming that we have had being born into the bOrg. A very warm welcome to you indeed from snowy NZ. Good reading for you:
Ray Franz, Crisis of conscience
Anything Steve Hassan
Then JW Broadcasting to reinforce that you have 100% made the right decision. 😲
am finding a whole lot of acronyms that are really foreign to me and i now have an appreciation for what cult language sounds like to non-culters.
wondering please if you can post your definitions so i can get up to speed.
otherwise, as an indoctrinated ex-culter, i am inclined to create my own new light and swiftly it will be gospel.
am finding a whole lot of acronyms that are really foreign to me and i now have an appreciation for what cult language sounds like to non-culters.
wondering please if you can post your definitions so i can get up to speed.
otherwise, as an indoctrinated ex-culter, i am inclined to create my own new light and swiftly it will be gospel.
am finding a whole lot of acronyms that are really foreign to me and i now have an appreciation for what cult language sounds like to non-culters.
wondering please if you can post your definitions so i can get up to speed.
otherwise, as an indoctrinated ex-culter, i am inclined to create my own new light and swiftly it will be gospel.
i have been trying to discuss and reason with jws about their beliefs for some time now and it usually ends in "agree to disagree".
i just don't feel like i am getting anywhere, they get their guard up super easy and will dismiss anything no matter how logical or factual.. so the other day i tried another tactic, instead of arguing for another point of view i started to agree with them.
this made them much more talkative and open, their guard went away somewhat.
My dad was telling me about cult mind control - the book by Steve Hassan helped him to understand why the defense and how to get the point across without negative reinforcement.
Dad's observations were that close long time family and friends were instantly dismissive with the apostate label but those who were academic of mind (research driven and/or had higher education) either were easy to reason with or would step through the facts to arrive at the same point: they couldn't reconcile the truth of the bible with the teachings of the WT.
Dad's experience has also been that of those who are "in" and "get it" , it is the fear of losing by leaving that keep them in rather than them being ignorant of the facts.
I think that method of questioning in a conversational manner is correct though - in terms of building rapport and trust ones defenses will be let down. If they see it or not after that point....
But dear Lord - give me patience!!
am finding a whole lot of acronyms that are really foreign to me and i now have an appreciation for what cult language sounds like to non-culters.
wondering please if you can post your definitions so i can get up to speed.
otherwise, as an indoctrinated ex-culter, i am inclined to create my own new light and swiftly it will be gospel.
Oh my. There's an apostate dictionary? This is so interesting. Thank you all thus far - I will no doubt continue to find and post things and I really appreciate your time in answering without making me feel like a nit wit.
All these changing terms... sounds like a substitution or disguise - creating new terms for new light or (perceived) innovation.
am finding a whole lot of acronyms that are really foreign to me and i now have an appreciation for what cult language sounds like to non-culters.
wondering please if you can post your definitions so i can get up to speed.
otherwise, as an indoctrinated ex-culter, i am inclined to create my own new light and swiftly it will be gospel.
Until reading these forums, I had never heard R&F either. Haha, great list, thankyou!
LDC anyone?
